He told the Slovo portal about where and how graduates of the Moscow Aviation Institute work Mikhail Yurievich Kuprikov, Vice-Rector of the MAI for Academic Affairs, Doctor of Technical Sciences, Professor.
- Could you please tell us how much the MAI graduates are in demand?
There are no MAI graduates on the labor exchange. MAI graduates are consumed by six corporations. Those who work on target orders, on target methods, who lead basic departments. Tactical missile weapons, OAP, Rostekhnologii, Roskosmos, everything that flies are MAI graduates. We are also preparing for the social sphere - we are preparing economists who go to municipal government. Medikov - engineering in biomedical problems. Therefore, in general, we are adapted to the needs of the regions.
- Are your graduates in demand abroad?
There are quite a lot of our employees abroad. We do not prepare "abroad" at all. But they are happy to go there. The trouble is that just our enterprises are not able to compete with Western firms. We have quite striking examples of career lifts that took place in Western firms. For example, about a thousand of our graduates are now working at Boeing, and there are many of our graduates at Airbus. Alexander Yarmonsky was the chief designer of the central section of the A350 while working in the USA. There are separate inclusions when you can show a successful career in Western scientific schools.
- Is it easy for graduates to find a job immediately after graduation?
The fact is that they begin to look for work while they are still studying, during practice. They are still somewhere in their third year at their workplace. Design, technological, undergraduate practice. As a rule, career guidance work begins at this stage. Whoever suits this trajectory, sign contracts for targeted training and go to these jobs. The practice was implemented very well with the Sukhoi Design Bureau. Most of the employees of the Sukhoi Design Bureau are graduates of the Moscow Aviation Institute. KB Mikoyan, across the road, they go to the diploma, and classes are held at the enterprise. We have a dozen or two basic departments. Basic departments are an educational process carried out on the territory of the enterprise. Base departments in TsAGe and LII, TNDC Beriev, GosNias.
- By working at these enterprises, can you provide your family with a decent existence?
Everything in the world is relative. There will always be enough for a piece of bread. It is very difficult to live in Moscow. The level of salaries for a graduate of the Moscow Aviation Institute is from 20 to 100 thousand. There are those who are arranged for a hundred thousand. It depends on the competencies that the person has. A person who speaks computer-aided design systems, speaks English - he is in demand. If an engineer is the first higher education, a parallel education in linguistics, and the third is some managerial or economic education, then he is in demand on the market, and is attractive to Western firms. And if a person just got an engineering education, he goes to forty thousand to a design bureau and then decides for himself whether forty thousand is enough for him to live with his family or not. So there is an incentive. And most importantly, we provide the opportunity for such growth, we provide the opportunity for these competencies. We have an institute of foreign languages. We have purchased English language training licenses from AirMid Melbourne Technical University and teach pilots and air traffic controllers English to the required level. This is a specific field of knowledge, no one teaches this. And it turned out that Australia is closer than any other European scientific school. We train pilots and dispatchers of Transaero, Siberia, Aeroflot, and Rossiya Airlines. Therefore, there is an opportunity for growth and self-realization. And then everyone decides for himself what level he goes to. The university should provide these opportunities, and so far we have succeeded in doing so.
Our employers lack engineering graduates. There are many more engineering programs than we produce engineers. We are given specific admission figures - they are given by the Ministry, they are given by the employer, and these control figures are analyzed at the release by the same corporations - UAC, Russian Technologies, Tactical Missiles, etc. But for the rest of the labor market there are not enough graduates. Therefore, there is hunger.
- Are there any graduates who do not work in their specialty?
What does specialty mean? This name is very conditional. If he studied aircraft design, but works as the owner of an airline, is this his specialty? This is about aircraft, but not design. I decided not to sit at the drawing board, but to operate the aircraft. For example, Transaero is headed by our graduates. From a formal point of view, this is not a specialty. And from the point of view of human logic, they have risen above their qualifications. Airline owners are not specially trained.
According to some teachers, there is such a problem - students do not want to study. Does your university have such a problem and how do you solve it?
There are different problems. If training courses are offered that are addictive, captivating, then students learn with pleasure. I'll give you an example. I am the head of the department of engineering graphics. If you give to draw by hand, who will like it? It's hard, it's routine. And if you give computer graphics, animation, they sit and tinker with pleasure. When you look at the screenshots from the screens, it's 4 in the morning, 5 in the morning. It is necessary to give those forms that are in demand by the market today, are in demand by society and are in the trend of modern information technologies.
Do you agree that the level of knowledge of applicants does not meet the requirements of the university?
The problem of fathers and children has always existed. They will always tell you that before the training was better, deeper, further, smarter, etc. A new generation, new requirements, new tasks force us to develop. Don't do anything about it. One of the forms is the exam.
I would focus on something else. It is much more important that those who enter can survive in the first year. In the first semester, we are already deducting dozens. About 30% within five years is a deduction. In the first year, 10-15% is deductible. Further in senior courses, another 2-3%. It's not so critical anymore. And the first and second semesters are the main task to keep. And how they were recruited - through the exam or not - is completely unimportant. It matters whether a person can learn or not. Sometimes primary knowledge is not even so important, but rather learning skills. Tutors can coach on a lot, on the standards of answers. After all, it is no secret that if you teach to answer, you can get a completely acceptable result, even if a person does not understand anything about what he is answering. It is important to have a learning skill.
For MAI, it is important that there is no USE in physics in the mandatory list. Because it is impossible to teach an engineer without physics. For us, this is critical, fundamentally, and when students without physics come to engine building or aircraft building, this is a disaster. And there are fewer applicants with physics than our target figures for admission in general for engineering universities. Therefore, there is a rather large deficit in this area. And when we put an exam in natural science instead of an exam in physics in order to make an addition, unfortunately, the level of competence of these applicants drops sharply.
Interviewed by Anna Volkova
Of our entire large and friendly group of AP-4s produced in 1957, only 7 people survived today. The group organized meetings at first every year. Then - less often. And on March 12, 2017, 6 people gathered for the meeting (one classmate could not come). We agreed that this meeting would be the last one. It is already difficult for many to move actively, since almost everyone has already exceeded 80 years. And the oldest of us, Garik Belik, turned 91 years old.
Garik managed to fight, from 1943 until the Victory, flying as a flight mechanic on La-5. He returned home with military awards. Now our friend's health is failing. Garik and his wife were given a place in a boarding house for veterans in Konkovo, where they moved on March 28. This last meeting of ours was organized at the request of Garik.
From meeting to meeting, the appearance of each of us, the visitors, changed. Wrinkles appeared on the faces, in men gray hair or baldness. The gait has changed. They did not notice how the time has come when many began to use sticks when walking ...
So Garik's time has come when health began to require outside help in everything. He can barely write a few lines. Hearing badly... The rest is not worth talking about.
But his faithful wife, Praskovya, who has recently been his hands, eyes, ears, has also grown old. Already she now needs support and someone else's help. And then the moment came when Garik and Praskovya decided to leave their home and move to a boarding house for the elderly for the last years of their lives.
But for some reason, Garik inspired himself that, moving to a boarding house, he would never see anyone again. Relatives, of course, will visit him. But how to say goodbye to classmates? After all, his former life always included an "eternal" expectation - the expectation of a meeting with us, friends from the AP-4 group.
How to collect graduates - old people who are over 80
And Garik took the initiative. I personally called everyone and asked to organize an urgent collection. Said he wanted to say goodbye to all of us. Hug each, kiss, say farewell to everyone ...
For this meeting, everyone gathered at the apartment of our younger classmate, who lives in Ramenskoye near Moscow. Male composition: Garik Belik, Borya Filin and me, Viktor Dudko. Women: Larisa Platonova, Regina Ivankova and Valya Pochivalina (host of the meeting).
Borya Filin, Larisa and Regina agreed to go by train from the Kazan station. I myself, with my operational stories, are already, consider, travel restrictions. We decided that my daughter Stella and her son-in-law Sasha would take me by car.
They asked Garik: how will he go, alone? Meet the others? Where?
He replied:
I haven't been to the train stations for a long time, I'm afraid I'll get lost. I was told that it would be convenient to go to "Vykhino", then transfer to the train, drive 40 minutes to the stop "47th km" and then walk 15-20 minutes to her house.
When they hung up the telephone, Stella asked: how old is he and where does he live? And he lives in Belyaevo. And he's 91...
Stella gasped, then she and Sasha began to find out something again using the maps and the navigator. And finally they delivered a verdict, which was announced to Garik.
From "Belyaevo" - a direct metro line to "Medvedkovo". Our company will go by car along the ring road, call in Moscow, "Medvedkovo" is nearby, they will pick up Garik in the metro, and we will all go together to Ramenskoye.
How delighted Garik was when he was offered this option:
My dears! I'm so happy! I know where it is - Medvedkovo. I was in the hospital there 15 years ago. I was brought back from the other world and given a second life. And now you give me - the third. I would, of course, still arrived, flew! I'm so happy. I won't be late. I will arrive early.
When Stella went down the escalator, she saw at the opposite end of the hall an old man treading water. In order for him to guess that they had come for him, Stella went in his direction, spreading her arms wide, as if inviting him into a hug...
He saw... He understood... and - he ran, seeding with his feet, towards her. He rushed to hug her and hung in her arms. So she, practically on herself, dragged him to the car.
Meeting of MAI graduates - after 60 years
And here we are, all together again. It is forgotten that 60 years have passed since graduation from the institute. Touches of hands, unexpected tears in the eyes. They also say that it is impossible to return to the past. At that moment we were there. And before you sit down at the table, we took a picture for memory.
On this day, the men were given discounts by age - they said toasts while sitting. Having said a toast to my native institute, I began to recall how they passed the entrance exams.
I remember the math exam. Everyone did not want to get to one teacher who put a lot of deuces. I had to go to him.
As soon as I started answering the ticket, he stopped me and asked:
And where are you so tanned, young man?
Yes, I ran, - I say, - at the stadium in Frunze. And the sun is hot...
Go to the second question...
As soon as I started talking, he looked at my notes on the piece of paper and interrupted me again and asked:
What is that badge on your chest?
I said that this is the sign of the champion of the republic among youths in athletics.
We quickly ran through all the other questions (and there were 7 in total on the ticket), he gave me five. And no one believed me that he did not ask me any additional questions in mathematics ...
After a few drinks, the conversation at the table became livelier. So Boris Filin got into a conversation ...
All the guys from our group worked until retirement in closed institutes and enterprises. But Boris Filin had the most awards. He worked all his life in the Energia Rocket and Space Corporation. And Boris Nikolaevich ended up at Baikonur long before the launch of Yuri Gagarin into space and was a witness and participant in all our space victories and defeats.
Borya also began to recall his admission to the institute. Here is his story.
"When the admissions committee saw my certificate with a gold medal, they told me:
You will not take exams, but will be interviewed.
I must say, I got excited and ask:
And what is it?
You know, - they answered and smile ...
I got even more nervous, not understanding - for what and why? I thought that they would drive me without tickets throughout the course and in all subjects at once.
They sent me to the dean. The conversation was long. We talked about everything, but not about studying. As a result, he told me that I was admitted to the institute, and I didn’t have to take exams.
In addition, I was appointed headman. They did not choose, namely, they appointed. It came as a surprise to me too."
Igor Belik - veteran and inventor
And a few words about the fate of the one who gathered us for this meeting - Garik.
Igor Grigoryevich Belik is the only one of us all - a veteran of the Great Patriotic War. The war began when he was 15 years old. He rushed to the front as a volunteer - they did not take it. But in the first two years of the war he managed to get a specialty mechanic. And now, at the age of 17, he is already a full-fledged warrior - a flight mechanic of the La-5 aircraft.
After the end of the war, he studied at the aviation school for two years. In 1951, he retired due to entering the MAI. Studying was difficult, but we all helped him, and he was a reliable senior comrade for us.
After graduating from the institute, he works in NPO IT - Scientific and Production Association of Measuring Equipment. He devoted himself to his beloved work with all his soul, with all his strength and with a restless mind. Started with rationalization proposals. And in 1977 he received the first copyright certificate - for the invention of a capacitive sensor.
For the design of a gear train with metal plates inserted into the teeth, he received a patent and a rather large award. As he said, with this transfer, the performance and durability of the device increased by about 30%. At the enterprise to which he gave so much strength and health, he is still remembered.
For all these years he did not miss a single meeting with fellow students. Studying at the Moscow Aviation Institute left an indelible mark on his soul. And each phone call from one of us was the best gift for Garik.
And all his life he tried to save abandoned, sick and dying animals - cats and dogs. He picked them up, caught them, found them and placed them in shelters for homeless animals.
He traveled to all the pet food companies and got them to donate a small amount of food to homeless animal shelters for free. Then he himself went for this food to companies and delivered heavy bags to shelters in his car.
In fact, Garik was and remains a big child who believes in goodness, in God and people.
We think that the boarding house, in which Garik and Praskovya moved, will become their second home. Surely there he will find those who need help more than himself, and will provide them with all possible support and care. And not only relatives will come to visit them, but also friends, whom Garik has a lot of ...
I am the mother of a third year student. My son is studying to be a programmer. It's very hard to learn, three skins are torn off. Especially in the first year, especially Vestyak!) But, those who really want to study, and did not just come for a crust, they are always afloat. For three years, according to the son, either those who obviously did not pull it off and transferred to another university easier, or those who “scored” on their studies at all, did not appear at lectures, did not pass laboratory, tests and exams, were expelled.
My eldest son finished his studies at the 1st faculty this year and entered graduate school without exams. When he defended his diploma, the audience applauded. I can say that it is difficult to study, it will not work out, the granite of science needs to be gnawed. Teachers of a high level and the old school, they forge today's highly qualified personnel. Of the 27 people who entered the department with my son, only three came to the finish line. But these are experts of the highest level. Employers are ready to take them on any conditions. 02.07 with the youngest son also submitted documents to the MAI. As for the admissions committee, I agree, it’s a complete mess, it’s surprising that for so many years the people who organize the admission of applicants have not bothered to monitor other universities (how are they?) or at least transfer the selection committee to a recreation center where there are chairs. A huge inconvenience - you can’t choose faculties in one place by priority, I had to go through this hell twice.
The first time will be difficult. The most common question in my head will be "why do I need it?" will concern primarily inscription, engineering, chemistry. You will have to come to terms with what you need, and grit your teeth to hand over to teach, cram, subjects. Buy blueprints? In my opinion only as a last resort. Believe a person who is not adapted for drawing in any way - any drawing can be handed over by bugging the teacher with his diligence and constant correction of the jambs indicated by the teacher (I didn’t get paid for the engineer), but the purchased drawings are fired immediately and there is a risk of being sent with them . After the first failures in the session, there may be an acute desire to dump somewhere where it is easier. Not even passing the exam in three attempts and going to paid courses is not at all a reason to fulfill this desire, especially if there is only one tail. Approximately such difficulties, future freshmen.
MAI is by my side. She taught at a nearby school, a lot of students went to the Moscow Aviation Institute, and mostly three students. In my opinion, everyone who wanted to, everyone did. Information from 7 years ago. Only one faculty remained strong there, programming. Our school used to have grades 9-11, which were taught by teachers from the Moscow Aviation Institute, 15 years ago they were in great demand, there was a competition. 7 years ago they took everyone there indiscriminately, now they just can’t recruit for one subgroup in the class. I think that the MAI can be considered as a fallback. She graduated from MSU VMK herself, three years ago her son graduated (budget). It is difficult to study and no bribes are taken there, they tear up three skins. On the course, less than half of the course was left for the diploma, and the payers were expelled without hesitation, the son's classmate (payer) flew out of the 2nd year and landed at the MAI, and finished it without much bothering. But in general, I'm not very happy, as they teach at VMK now, specialists from Baumansky are much stronger.
Hello, periodically looking through the records, I noticed that there are very few plums about MAI. Well, here's my review of MAI. To put it mildly, I skipped the 11th grade, and therefore I passed the USE unimportantly, I passed 5 subjects: Russian, mathematics, English, social studies, and took geography as a spare. There was no definite goal for admission, I thought something related to the economy, but I didn’t even plan geography. So it turned out that geography came out strong, for which it almost did not prepare. It so happened that I entered the MAI. A logical question arises, what can be done with geography there, and so, there is a specialty "environmental safety of space activities", I went there because of the romantic name, not really imagining what I would study.
A little about the curriculum The first year was very difficult for all my classmates, since we are all practically humanists, and in the first semester our curriculum was littered with mathematics, physics, descriptive geometry, and so on, there was only one subject in the specialty. They handed over the session with the idea that after the 1st course there would be no more physics and mathematics. It was very hard when you hate these objects with all your heart. In the second semester, history repeated itself, but more specialized subjects appeared, now I'm in my second year, I have difurs, engineering, materials science, twims, like the last semester of torment, but we are already used to it in general, although we tirelessly repeat: " we are ecologists" Educational process Attendance is not the toughest thing in this institute, there are subjects that must be attended (engineering graphics, English), there are ones that are not necessary, everything is different here, my attendance is not the best, but then have to pay for it at the end of the semester. The schedule is issued at the beginning of the semester, and no longer changes, well, unless you personally agree with the teacher. There are a maximum of 4 pairs per day, that is, you finish at 16 days. Saturdays are different for everyone, we didn’t study before, now we study once every two weeks.
The buildings and dormitories of the Corps are all in one place, but their condition is terrible, the elevators work every other time, the toilets are holes in the floor, and this is in the main building, there is no place to sit between couples, but we don’t have a wardrobe, I think this a plus, since there are no eternal queues, and you can calmly sit in the audience in a jacket and a hat, I remind you that the buildings are terrible, the windows are with huge gaps. I don’t live in a hostel, but I was in them, there are block and corridor types, it all depends on the faculty, but the hostel of my faculty with the loud name “space” is in a deplorable state.
The entertainment program is run by the trade union bureau, and here it depends on everyone, but there is always the opportunity to go to the theater for free, to museums, etc. A lot has already happened, but I can’t say anything about the May spirit, MAI has its own traditions, for example, when the whole institute drinks on a box on September 1, and then the police unanimously disperse everyone, in general, our institute is called musical and alcohol, but if you don’t drink, then no one forces you. There are a lot of chants about Mayevites, and probably the Mayevian spirit makes him love him, despite all his minuses. MAI IS ME, MAI IS US, MAI IS THE BEST PEOPLE IN THE COUNTRY.
MAI is by far the main institute in aviation. But it would not hurt to make a small repair in the hostel, otherwise it turns out when we study, then everything really corresponds to a high level. And when we come to the hostel, then excuse me, it doesn’t correspond at all ... Yes, of course, Muscovites and Muscovites don’t give a damn about it, of course, Tony went home and ate mom’s borscht. But after all, Moscow is not all of Russia, but Russia is us, people from all over the country. And all these Muscovites are only nose to the top, but there is no sense. They don’t know a lot, and they are very stupid, I even began to notice that if they are stupid, then one hundred percent is a Muscovite. Although I am not against all Muscovites, understand me correctly, but those whom I met are darkness and horror ...
completed the first course at ENGEKIN MAI
about the admissions committee, when I entered, I was also wildly horrified by everything that was happening, I even thought about abandoning the idea of going there, but no, I did it anyway) such a mess is always going on there and in my opinion they are not going to change anything, the main thing is not to judge it the whole institute!
at the expense of the repair - at first it catches your eye, of course, the furnishings, but then you get used to it) and in the ENGEKIN building itself there was a repair recently, everything is sooo good there + they built a new building now, I don’t remember the truth for which faculty
education itself is at a good level, not bad, but not excellent either, you understand, you don’t enter Moscow State University. teachers really teach, in most cases they won’t give a grade for beautiful eyes) for a year I remember teachers in law, history (which I didn’t like, but I went to the lectures of this teacher with pleasure), matana (it’s generally difficult to forget), economics, computer science, statistics, etc. All of the above are excellent teachers!
BUT! Separately, I want to say about the dean's office and everything connected with it - it's just hell! horror! nightmare! the people working there are just non-humans, I can’t say otherwise. that there are girls sitting in the dean’s office itself, from whom you will never get anything, always some kind of evil, and so on, I don’t understand why they took this job, if they don’t like it, what, the worst nightmare is the deputy. dean - I don’t know at all who let her work with people, especially with students! she constantly yells at everyone, in the literal sense of the word, I have never seen her so that she doesn’t yell at someone, if you need to get something from her - you yourself understand what awaits you. it remains only to limit oneself as much as possible from this person, but when one has to face, in any case, an unpleasant aftertaste remains after communication. it seems that she is either sick in the head, or it’s time to treat her nerves, or she just likes to take out all her anger on students
otherwise the institute is good) I have never regretted that I entered here, and the atmosphere is good (well, almost) and teaching!
